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Hva skal til for å lykkes som liten bedrift? Vi snakker med gründere, ledere og andre entusiaster og tar et dypdykk i deres hverdag for å se på hva som skal til for å skape en god bedrift. Hva driver folk, og hva skjer når en ikke lykkes?
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Anette Lauareid Hovda: viktigheten av å finne fokus og ro, EQ sin rolle på arbeidsplassen, åpenhet og sårbarhet som en styrke for lederrollen...
Anette Luareid Hovda drev egen barnehage i over 20 år. I de 20 årene var hun gjennom mange prosesser, både i form av egenutvikling, og utfordringene og gledene med å drive sin egen bedrift. Anette har nå solgt barnehagen og skal bruke sin tid på å hjelpe andre med å utvikle seg.
Som barnehagelærer, EQ terapeut (det skal du få høre mer om i podden), familieterapeut og 25 års erfaring som leder, har hun opparbeidet seg kompetanse, strategier og tanker som vil komme andre til nytte.
I podcasten snakker vi om hennes egen reise, og kommer innom spennende temaer som lederutvikling, viktigheten av emosjonell balanse, hvordan løse vanskelige mellommenneskelige situasjoner, og teknikker for å holde fokus og være tilstede her og nå. I tillegg kommer vi innom foreldrerollen og andre litt utypiske, men veldig interessante, emner for hva vi er vant med i gründerpodden Lykkes Liten. Det er bare å glede seg!
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Annette Luareid Hovda drove her own kindergarten for over 20 years. In those 20 years, she went through many processes, both in the form of self-development and challenges and joy with running her own business. Annette has now sold the kindergarten and will use her time to help others develop. As a kindergarten teacher, ecotherapeut and you will hear more about that in the podcast family therapist and 25 years of experience as a leader, she has now worked out skills, strategies and thoughts that will benefit others. In the podcast, we talk about her own journey and come to exciting topics such as leader development, the importance of emotional balance, how to solve difficult interpersonal situations and techniques to keep focus and be present here and now, om menneskelige situasjoner og teknikker for å holde fokus og være til stede her og nå. I tillegg, kommer vi innom foreldrerollen og litt andre utypiske men veldig interessante emner fra hva vi er vant med I grunnen, på den lykkeslite. Det er bare å glede seg.
Speaker 1:Dagens episode er produsert som vanlig av Grunnerloftet, en regions mest spennande arbeidsplass for deg som driver, for you who run your own business, and V-Strategy, the marketing and sales office in Haugesund that helps customers choose you by focusing on strategy and good solutions. Today's sponsor is Hagland Finans. Hagland Finans is an engaged, competent and responsible player, premium partner in Power Office Go. They help small and medium-sized businesses with business services, advice on systems. They need to succeed and they can help your company, whether you want to help with everything or just have something to show off. I use Hagland myself and have been very pleased with the flexibility they give me and the combination of me doing something myself, that they do the important things and that I am a partner of a good software and an app that works. Every day. I Kvær Dagen.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's probably it, we have adjusted ourselves a bit in the office here for us to film you, Garnette.
Speaker 2:Yes, that was honorable, honorable assignment.
Speaker 1:You first of all. I think we should go into Electio. That's a state company you have. Can you tell us a little about that and who your customers are and what problems and challenges you want to solve? What are?
Speaker 2:your customers and what problems and challenges do you want to solve? Yes, I started Electio now in October, so it's pretty fast and it's a company I run a little, but on the side of what is now my primary job in an appliance office, so it's completely in the phase of getting customers. But I have connected a collaboration with Gleding, which was started in 2016 in Abrahamsen, so we applied for ambassadors before Christmas, which we applied for and got. So it's an engagement I have through Electio. So then it's about holding presentations for kindergartens, schools, sports teams and such things. So I have received a project that to this day, is in kindergartens. So it's about working with the opposite of mobbing, which is entertainment. So that's in the middle of my heart. I'm busy with children and childhood. I'm interested in children and childhood, and then I have a collaboration with the EQ Institute, which has a head office in Oslo, where I am now a teacher and will have a place to host in EQ Digital and a physical class at Klepp som det er et kontor, der også.
Speaker 1:Hva er Eko Digital da?
Speaker 2:Eko står for Emotionell Intelligens, så det er et kompetenskurs, der man lærer litt mer om sin egen emotion. Så jeg skal ha en samling I måneden I over ti måneder and one meeting every month for ten months. They will be talking about different topics like personal language, not just human feelings and sorrows.
Speaker 1:It's probably something we all could have thought of to have a little course in.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. We all have feelings.
Speaker 1:But it requires a bit of top-level expertise in relation to your business, so you must have a background. What is your background background and why did you choose to start Electio?
Speaker 2:I was in the small children's kindergarten in 2004, which I made with my friends. I sold it in October. I had a little concern about that. It was my own choice to sell it, but it was still a choice.
Speaker 2:And that's also a little bit because of politics and such, på bakgrunnen, politisk og sånn. Så etter å jobbe med barn I så mange år og ha den faglige bakgrunnen som barnreglerer, så har jeg jo spisk kompetenser på dette med barn. Så har jeg jo vært leder og personalansvarlig I mange, mange år. Jeg hadde jo 25 ansatte Og sett som daglig leder da I tillegg til jeg, sånn at jeg har jo mange års erfaring I have 25 employees and as a day leader.
Speaker 2:In addition to me, I have many years of experience with being a day leader, which I also want to show the company through my elective. So I have, for example, held a women's network in a large company in. Bård, I have held a presentation for you I en stor bedrift nå I vår, hållte et foredrag for deg. Ja, og så er jeg jo utdannet familieterapeut og ekoterapeut, så jeg har jo en del faglig bakgrunn og erfaringer med det å møte mennesker I krise da.
Speaker 1:Og du jobber med det ved siden av barnehagen da.
Speaker 2:Ja, det har jeg. Som ekoterapeut har jeg jobbet på siden av barnehagen. And you work with that on the side of the kindergarten? Yes, I do. As an EQ-therapeut, I work on the side of the kindergarten. I also work a lot with it in the kindergarten. It was Norway's first EQ-kindergarten, so all the employees got the one-year education there. What I'm going to be a teacher for now that house all my employees got that in small people, so I used that competence a lot. For me, it was important that those who work with children work with their own feelings, because it's sometimes like that that we manage to meet others more than we manage to meet ourselves. So now I'm working on a master's degree in family therapy and relational work, so I'm going to write about being a leader here and now. Yes, the leaders strive to be here and now and then it is quite important to take care of yourself. So I want to dive a little into that and have a wish to help the leaders in the matters ahead through elective work.
Speaker 1:There are a lot of things that I and you have talked a lot about, Marius the challenges with being able to be there and not disturb, and having the focus and all that. We almost had a live therapy time for me and you, Marius. That could have been the best.
Speaker 3:Yes, but I have talked a lot about coming in flow and what it is that makes it good that you have a few days at work. For example, in our reason of self-reliance, you just think that today you can have the whole world, while the next day is all about the universe. But we you can go a little bit deeper into that. Let's do some research on what it is that makes us humans come to that mode. So it's a little bit the same, but it happens that when you're in flow, it's by definition that you're here and now, and at the same place.
Speaker 3:Yes, so I think it's extreme and it's an exercise.
Speaker 2:I'm incredibly busy with this, with emotions and relationships. It's something that engages me a lot and it's something that people need more knowledge about. Even though I was born with these feelings, I learn from my own to put an end to them in order to meet the expectations and demands of society. So it's fun. Now I'm curious about myself and all this Just now. I had regular conversations with the Uro School, for example, so that's where I was talking to you yesterday.
Speaker 1:You must have told me what are the Uro Schools.
Speaker 2:The Uro Schools are located in Oslo and they talk about and evaluate from a. Uro-schools are held in Oslo and they talk about and learn from their Uro-perspectives. Uro has a lot of different things. It has a lot of constant. There is a lot of sorrow, there is a lot of fear, but also love is an Uro. So it's something with that to fit in, to feel the feeling and to know where love is. An anxiety. So it's something with that and to feel the feeling and to know where the anxiety is. And I think, and I think that if all people have more focus on that and learn that perspective and learn to know where the anxiety is, then one will get in touch with greater resources within oneself.
Speaker 1:So the first thing is to find that feeling within oneself, so that one can move on to the next step.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's to recognize, as you say, that sometimes you can be worried about the world and other times you're standing and stumbling and where do you feel it inside you? And to stop at feeling that it sits like a lump between the floor or like a large energy field and then to break it. Then I experience that I can more land and continue to move on with greater peace. I have strived a lot about this continue with greater peace. I have strived a lot about this, about being in peace. I like that. Things happen all the time, so sitting and watching a movie can be challenging for me, so it's an exercise for me to get to know how I feel when I sit, when I'm sitting there trying to make a film, and then you have a tendency to take your phone and start scrolling right. It's just a flight and it becomes aware of these patterns.
Speaker 1:So I don't get anything from my film, or is it just a phone number?
Speaker 2:No, not at all.
Speaker 3:I know myself well enough. It can both a positive and a negative characteristic, but it can be. You say you started a kindergarten seven years ago and now you have started a company again. Is that something that is behind the reasons that drive you, that you can't sit still, that you want to start something new? Have you thought about that?
Speaker 2:Yes, I have thought about that and I see it myself that having the opportunity to give something that engages me both creatively and all that, I see how big a role that through my own company again, and I see that I have been with it since I was little, because I started the business when I was quite little. I stopped by to sell chips and plans to start a riding center. So, yes, the creative need has always been with me.
Speaker 1:I heard a podcast yesterday where they interviewed another founder who had you a challenges as you, but he always had new things. He wanted to do new companies, new ideas, always creative and he was a little sad when he came to that long operational mode where it was drift. So he said it was a little different type of human type. Some are very good at being a bit of a sugar-coated mountain, let's say it. Everyone knows that who have worked in the same company for a reason there for an eternity. Fortunately we have that focus, while others may need to get out of their own ideas as well, so they don't get locked in. So his solution was that he had to get out of it and make several companies and then he started this People who run these companies and then he started a little between them all. Is it so that we are different types of people and perhaps should get out of it, or would you rather help people with having a focus and trying to get out of creativity where you are perhaps?
Speaker 2:I will never have an agenda on other people's roads. I will never have an agenda on other people's roads, but what I want to help with is that people should get in touch with what they actually want and need, and that is very good to do in conversations with others. I have a train track to follow, so stopping and reflecting on other people's experiences is useful. I think it's very nice to be with others on their journey through that and, of course, I was born with different personalities and such. But when you talk about him, I think it might be something behind it, a little like I said with myself, in terms of being busy and doing a lot of things and being in peace. It's something I try to cover up by being so busy, and it can be about him too, or it can be something completely different. It's something I need to check in on in a meeting with myself. It's not quite the same and that's how you need to check in on yourself.
Speaker 1:Great to hear. Do you think that it is something that has developed, that we are even more uneasy now than before? I mean, I think of the windmills we have so much that is going to take our attention today against maybe 20 years later, or has this always been a type of challenge?
Speaker 2:Yes, I think this has been our challenge for many, many, many, many years and we are part of a collective result, so it's a generation legacy. I think this with anxiety and, of course, we are influenced by the environment. We have social media, so we are affected by that. We read and see and hear and such. I think that the drive and the fact of holding a meeting has been there for many years, thinking business and different dramas in life. It's a bit of a work-life balance. In many years they have made efforts on rats, for example. They introduced a rat stream, which was a negative experience for the rat, and they let in a smell at the same time and the children of these rats reacted to that smell. So it's the same in genetics and that's why we need to stop and stop to be able to make the changes that we have had in many, many generations.
Speaker 1:And you probably need, or you should maybe get a conversation partner, as you say. Is there any technique or tool you can use to help us who are sitting here now?
Speaker 2:hjelpe oss som sitter med en euro? Ja, det er jo. Det er jo til å stille deg spørsmål som får folk til å kjenne etter da og til å reflektere. Ja, jeg liker jo narrativ tilnærming, også det med å. Det vil slå seg selv litt. Ta et blikk utenfor. Samtidig som det å, I also feel a little bit of a look away while I stop and feel how I feel in my chest and in my stomach and it's just a peace with it and it's very effective because I also have conversations. I also give one-to-one conversations. I have a lot of trust in nature as an arena for conversations and I'm very happy to use nature myself. So it was now on Saturday. I noticed that I went on a trip and then I was very in my thoughts, very vulnerable, and then I started to think that it was very forward and backward. I don't think I got as much of what was around me, but then I suddenly registered what I was doing.
Speaker 2:So then I stopped and just started to look at the colors on the trees around me and the sounds and such, without adding anything else other than what I saw and heard. And then all the problems are gone, because when you are in something, there is only something, because problems and challenges are human beings, it's just thoughts, because we have experiences with us, which means that we have an idea of what it is like or what can happen in the future. So people are very back and forth. I have a great desire for humanity to have the opportunity to be here and now. That's where Gull is, I think.
Speaker 3:It's not always that easy.
Speaker 2:No, it's very difficult, and I think so too.
Speaker 3:I have a lot of what I talked about. Niklas, you talked about that you have a conversation, a leader with a founder podcast. But in the founder world you are, by definition, a leader. You are often alone in the beginning, but there are many concerns. You have economy, you have marketing, you have sales. You have everything on your plate, your your plate. So you could be extremely useful and have a conversation partner who not only has it. It's very useful because of that that you can talk to people who are on the same journey. But in a way, she had a boring offer that you can sit down with, not in a conversation, but someone who has experience and helps you through all the worries of starting a company. It's always true you almost have to be a little ahead of you because you have to think do I have enough money to come with the next six months? Because they have to get more funds and so on they have to get more sales.
Speaker 3:So you have to go in and out of the future. Absolutely, I don't know if you've thought about what I've noticed. And help the founders as well, both with your own experience, but also with the one-to-one conversation.
Speaker 2:I have, and it's both founders and leaders. I am very happy with the private business life because I have done it myself and felt the challenge and vulnerability that I have. I think that founders and leaders need to take more responsibility for themselves Because it's a very lonely position, a very lonely profession.
Speaker 1:Because it's like I have to serve and take care of others. Often, yes, and then it's often a little between the work and the business too. You have the economic responsibility on one side, and maybe there's an investor with you. Then you have the staff and you have customers.
Speaker 1:And you have to do the two opposites of that, and then you have to sit there all the time and balance it all, and that can be difficult, because it's only maybe a thousand that you have to deal with and you can't share it with everyone either. It's not everything you can share with the employees. It's not everything you can share with a bank, for example, or a financial institution. You have to balance it all.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and remember that leaders and founders of this book are also people.
Speaker 1:Yes, and when you run the bakery for 20 years, what type of? It's also been a long time, but are there any things you can think of that have been the main challenges when running a kindergarten?
Speaker 2:For me it was the political uncertainty the whole time. It was what made me think Because from government change to government change, what awaits me in the next four years, and so on. So it was very challenging and I was struggling a lot. So I had a few trips to Stortinget, for example. It was very broad and I went to camp. In those cases I probably forgot my own feelings and what it did to me. So it was personal responsibility and what it did to me, so it's personal responsibility. It was probably the most difficult thing I had, but also the most challenging, because a little of what you were talking about I was in the hospital, so it was to take care of the staff. While I had an economy, I had to take care of the children and the parents who use the children's childhood. Children are the most important. So it was like that. So I felt I had to juggle. So that was challenging for me.
Speaker 1:You had probably a lot of assets, maybe a lot of dating assets. You probably had a lot of breakthroughs over the past 20 years. What did you see that worked in terms of taking care of your staff?
Speaker 2:It was to be. I'm honest and responsible with myself. I meet with myself but also with the employees. I often say that it was before and after the ECU, when all the effects of the education and such, then things change. When I started up small people, I was concerned that everything would be perfect and I see that it was a completely impossible task because it was nothing. So I was really scared of making mistakes. So if I made mistakes I did everything I could to cover it up and it was very stressful and it was very lonely. So when I got to work a little more with that and was more honest with the employees on my mistakes and flaws and what I felt about it and I really didn't feel scared to be vulnerable with my employees on my mistakes and mistakes and what I felt, I was sitting there not scared to be vulnerable with my employees. I was sitting on what is a strength and that was a feedback from the employees that it was safe for them to know where they have me.
Speaker 1:Is that something you have developed through experience or can you go back to the fact that you took that course? Both parts, yes, yes, both parts. So everything is connected to everything.
Speaker 2:I am concerned about the three things that are important in a business. It is the professional competence to keep yourself updated on theory and so on, and then there are experiences, and then there is the power of hands, and it's not like one thing is more important than the other. I think all three are dependent on each other. So that was important for me and I see that I have a good journey.
Speaker 1:Is there anything you can take back to Handelekraft, for example, that you remember that was important?
Speaker 2:Yes, I have been very worried because I have invested a lot in small people. Twice we started in a school with 11 young people and there were 4 employees. In 2008, I invested 14 million in a tent construction.
Speaker 2:And in 2015, it was waiting lists in 11 again. In 2008, I invested 14 million on a completely new building and in 2015, the waiting list was 11 again. So then I thought that's good. So then I told the municipality that we want to build out, yes, but they considered they had to think about it because they considered building a new kindergarten. So I think that the municipal bureaucracy takes a little longer time than the private. So then I started. The municipality has not built a new kindergarten, so it was built in 2015. I invested a total of 24 million in the kindergarten. It was very successful.
Speaker 1:Was it okay to get funding?
Speaker 2:Yes, I had private funding and it went very good, and it was okay to get funding. Yes, I had private funding and it went very well, and I see now that that was perhaps a weakness and, at the same time, it would have been a lesson. I think I have done everything myself. I have done the construction myself and I have done a lot of the construction myself. I have been in the ventilation department all day, so I have not gone to the hospital afterwards. So following up and building these kindergartens was so close to the different work groups. I think it was incredibly exciting to be a director.
Speaker 2:At the same time, I see it in a way that it's inhumane to do everything. It's something with looking for help. That's the experience I like to share. What I know is my own mistakes. I don't like to use the word mistakes. I think that it's the reason for what you do there, and then it's right there, and then Then there's an experience. There's no mistake with an experience, and I want to share such experiences with others, which I experienced as a challenge myself.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely. I think it's exciting. I'm very curious about the IQ course you took, eq, I mean.
Speaker 2:But it's very essential for IQ. Yes, it's very essential for EQ.
Speaker 1:Yes, it is the whole security. Can you tell us a little about that? Let's say there is a leader out here who runs small and medium-sized businesses. Why should I do that and what does it do? What are you?
Speaker 2:working on, yes, emotional intelligence. As I said, it is our feelings, and in EQ there are five basic feelings Some say 12 and some 7, but there are five main points, which are joy, desire, sorrow, loneliness and fear. So it's like to get to know all those feelings and dare to express themselves and recognize them and then, through being within different themes, it's also a little easier to get in touch with those feelings. And in this education there are other participants as well, and then the other one how one has it and what challenges one faces and enjoys. What I'm looking forward to, because it's an important feeling too, and when I sit and share, it shows that we can all feel each other. Even though we have different stories, we feel each other. I feel like I'm in a circle together. If we've experienced something painful and difficult, even if I haven't experienced it myself, I can feel the fear when someone shares something Because I've felt fear. So it's such a thing to get to know yourself by listening to others and sharing.
Speaker 2:And then you go through various theories and dive into such professional things around this with emotional intelligence. And now we are in the fourth industrial revolution, but we are in the first, emotional. So it is actually a fairly unknown landscape. Still, I think there is a lot to be known with, and it's just, things happen relatively fast. So my parents, for example they were not teenagers. So when they became parents to me and my two brothers, they met the teenagers for the first time by being parents to teenagers and they had no experience with that, because it was nothing called teenager when I was young. Then they were confirmants, then they were adults. That was it. There was not much concept of teenager then. So there are things like that that still come up that I need to experience.
Speaker 1:Is that an education you took with you when you started filming erfarare? Ja, er det en utdanning du tok, du og med dig ansatte I firmaet.
Speaker 2:Ja, så jeg tok jo den treårige terapeututdannelsen, og så fikk de ansatte den ettårige kompetensutdannelsen. Så den er jo ett år og en samling I måneden, mens jeg hadde tre samlinger I måneden over tre år.
Speaker 1:Hvis du leder en bedrift If you are the leader of a company would you recommend going through something like that, maybe not a three-year-old, but taking the one-year education?
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely. I do that in relation to getting in touch with your own emotions, to be able to strengthen relationships with yourself and others. I think companies need that more and more in the future because things are more and more being robotized. What we need in the future is the emotional strength to be able to work well together, the creative skills and such. That's what we need in the future, because the things we do today want to be more robotic. So getting a little more knowledge is something I absolutely recommend.
Speaker 1:You were a little bit into this about being a parent to teenagers. I'm getting into this myself. I'll just take a very personal yes, that's very nice possibility to ask you a question. I'm 15 years old. Do you have any general tips on how a 15-year-old should be as a dad? This is probably a very general question and I can't say too much either, since we're taking this up.
Speaker 2:What do you see people can do wrong? I think it's to have an agenda on the children's own and then maybe forget that the children are, or the youth are, a person, a human. It's also to stop a little more hope and listen.
Speaker 2:For example, that you're going to go on that route and become that and you're going to go on that route with the diet, for example, and I think that happens very unconsciously when you have parents, that you, without being aware of themselves, cause such effects. And of course it is important to share your experiences with children, I think. But it's also a way to be aware of what my agenda is behind, and I always think it's good to be first in the council. Then I think it's nice to tell the young people not to be afraid but to be careful, because they need to experience things themselves and it's being aware of what you have with you as a father. In a meeting with your children, one has a lot of ghosts themselves. Is there something one has done themselves that one doesn't want the children to do? Is it easy for them to get hard in that meeting?
Speaker 2:Or that they overanalyze things Because they use their own experiences in meetings and think that the children are like, for example. So being there is the best and being curious is something that I think is very valuable.
Speaker 1:Yes, you have to have time and you have to be open.
Speaker 2:Yes, and at least stop at the opportunity where you are in conversation with the children, what happens to you, and then you are just there with the varietal to check in. And of course I have, and three children themselves have felt both worries and triggers, and so on.
Speaker 1:It can be very frightening to the others Very yes, I totally agree.
Speaker 2:It can be very frustrating for them. Very yes, I totally agree with that. So I have said that I am not a teacher, so I don't take work with me home every time, and there are a lot of feelings there when you are a parent, and that is a damage to think about and to put it in the garden, because all parents want their children to be safe and masterful and such that they carve a lot on and that being able to be with yourself, that you can be with yourself as a father and think that it's good enough. You want to make mistakes and you want to hurt your children, but to talk to them about it, just to apologize or to say okay now I was strict or now I was angry, I would take responsibility for that.
Speaker 2:It was not yours, it was mine.
Speaker 3:Yes, I noticed what you said. You said that the new generation is entering the working life, and then you said we are in the industrial revolution, now the fourth industrial revolution. Everything is digitized. It changes the way we work, we produce, we communicate, etc. But then you mentioned the emotional revolution. Yes, it's a big question, but how do you think that will affect the new generation that came into the working life now? What was important to keep in mind? You were a little bit about the fact that everything is being robotized, that there are other characteristics in us as humans that become.
Speaker 2:I think it's very important to start already in childhood, right, because the first six years of life is the most important year in a person's life. It's when we are really what do you call it like a learning club, so then you are very formable, so it's also formed with soft, tender hands when they get older and more rational thinking. I get a little stiff in the learning club and then it is important that I have given them a good foundation and I have faith that young people today need to learn to feel more pain, because that's what I've been a little afraid of. I've wanted to protect the children from pain and such. It's just that with and it's not so good. You should have a helmet and a bike I misunderstand myself right, but climbing a tree now today it's Many kindergartens and schools are removing them from kindergartens and schools because they're afraid that they're going to fall.
Speaker 2:Then it can have consequences for parents and such. But I used to say to the parents in the kindergarten that there are several bruises I send home to be treated. If they snuggle up on their knees, it's very good because it's not painful to meet them in adulthood when they are in charge. So I think that learning to have it more painful because it's a part of life it's not like you can read a lot of books about how to be happy. It's bullshit.
Speaker 2:There is as much pain as happiness and to embrace both parts. That's what we need to help the young people with and that will perhaps just be a little crash for you into your work life. There will be a lot of demands to have, a lot of relationships to, so it can be painful and it can be met with challenges and triggers and leaders and colleagues. So being able to help each other and take care of each other in that way, that's important. So we all have that and the youth and seniors in the team. Everyone can learn from each other. It's not like it's people are sitting on the fence, but it does help each other, learn from each other and cheer for each other.
Speaker 1:True, if we go back to the workplace a little as a leader to have good relations with the employees, the employees can also be a balance. You have to have a good workplace, people who feel welcome and motivated and feel belonging, while you as a leader have certain demands for the economy or achievement and so on. How have you managed to get to a good balance? What tips can you give to the leaders?
Speaker 2:That was a bit of what I was talking about yesterday, that it is to be open and honest and clear.
Speaker 1:I think that that's what you found out yourself.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I think that when you have created the security and trust in yourself and others other I can bear the clarity now and to fulfill the demands, Because then I know that even if she is strict and makes demands, she cares about me. For that I had a little humor in my childhood, but the last year I got was that I was a little humor in my childhood, but the last year I got it was that I was a mother. I saw some patterns that they came in and wanted answers on things and how to deal with it. I saw that I gave them the answers and saw that it was a pattern. I want people to come up with solutions and answer themselves. So I'm a little bit of a fool to ask my mother. So it's a challenge. My mother wants you to find out for yourself. So it's the humor, the joy, the tranquility, the love. I'm not so afraid to be close to colleagues, so it's also a part of things. I just look at it as a strength Because it's yeah.
Speaker 1:You have certainly had a tough conversation. Yes, how does the transition go? Then you have had a close relationship with an employee. I have to tell the employee that we can't have you here anymore. How can he handle it? How can he have such a conversation in a good way or a process?
Speaker 2:if you will. I think the idea that what is unpleasant should be good is just an illusion. So it's just to put that in front of us and go in and think that this is going to hurt. So I think that the idea is that this conversation becomes difficult. So it's something you're afraid of, I think, because what is a difficult conversation?
Speaker 2:And in what you use that word there you have added something samtale, og I det du bruker det ordet der også, så har du jo tillagt det noe. Så det å være litt bevisst på det og kjenne etter hva det er som gjør at jeg synes dette er vanskeligt. Og hva er det jeg er redd for Og mange er jo, jeg tror, uten at jeg har ført noen statistikker eller spurt mange, men vi er jo et flokdyr og vi har aldrig et behov for å høre til. Så jeg tror at veldig mange har også fått pek efter det med de som har snakket med det om er at en er redd for at de ikke blir likt, at noen skal bli sinte på de sant er redd for at de skal bli leise, det som ligger bak det, at andre blir leise igen. Ja, då er noen som and if someone gets angry at me, it's probably more that I'm afraid they won't like me anymore.
Speaker 2:So it's to go into that. But if I can go into that with security, I also think that I will be more clear about that. I like you Because that's about it, that I'm safe in myself. And then it's like it can happen that someone gets angry at you and doesn't like you. It can happen that someone gets angry at you and doesn't like you. It can happen, and it's about their feelings again, because it's so easy to point at others and see the pain in themselves. Then it becomes like you made me afraid and unsuitable now. So then it's your fault and I don't like you anymore. But then it's the pain that is crushed on you as a person. But actually it's not about that. You just pierce something that is painful inside of you that you have talked to. So it's also Go in and think that this is yes, it will go around. That's life, that's life yes.
Speaker 2:You never get a person. If you think that a difficult conversation is difficult, then see it there.
Speaker 1:Yes, have a little more attitude.
Speaker 2:I relate to the reality that I am in and not try to create it until something happens.
Speaker 1:What are you going to do in the future? What are your dreams?
Speaker 2:Yes, my dreams are to hold more lectures in kindergarten and school for employees and parents and I have a dream to work even more with leaders and founders. Yes, especially that, because I felt a lot of loneliness and pain and loneliness itself as a leader, then you think one-to-one follow-up?
Speaker 1:Yes, one-to-one and maybe leader meetings. How does that work? What is it like? It's? It's probably about the situation. For example, we see that you have a good relationship with a leader. For example, you can have it through a period to develop yourself.
Speaker 2:Yes, maybe a little bit of a happy start every 14 days and talk about where you are and give some tasks and feedback and such, but also in groups, because that's the idea of just wanting to change and get in touch with your own feelings through other words.
Speaker 1:I was on your website and there was something about the tree of life. Yes, I just came back from that.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:What is that for something? How do you use it?
Speaker 2:Yes, the tree of life. I'm very happy with it. I got to know it for the first time at a family therapy study. I got my education there. I was very happy. I was introduced to family therapy for the first time in my studies. I got my education there. So it has a narrative background from South Africa. In Zimbabwe they used it for refugees with children, young people who had foster parents in war and war. So then it was about creating a new narrative. Creating a new narrative about oneself, because there is always hope. Hope always wants us to. I think that's the last thing we need before we leave the earth is hope. So it's so easy for us to go into this negative spiral we go down to the spiral.
Speaker 1:It was a sound so cool.
Speaker 3:It was Enough to laugh. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was. It was it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was it was.
Speaker 2:It was. That was the sound we got. Now. It was weird. Yes, sorry, I interrupted the sound. Yes, but it's all right.
Speaker 2:So then it's like that and the roots are where we are from. So it's family where we grew up, neighbors, friends. Yes, it's good memories from childhood. So the earth is where you are now, with those people you surround yourself with, possibly work or school or what you're doing today.
Speaker 2:The three voices are your personal values, what you like and what you feel your strengths are. For example, I love to dance or I'm responsible, or things like that. So I write them all up there. The branches are your dreams and wishes for the future, because there are some of them that you have to stretch yourself to. The leaves on the tree are people in your life who have meant something extra for you, who maybe were the person who made you search for them in the studio or as a close friend or a supporter, and the fruits on the tree are the specific things that these people have done for you in your life.
Speaker 2:So I use that in a group. First I work individually with the tree and then I present it in a smaller group, and when I have presented it, I gets a reply from those in the group, because the reply is important, right? Because she has been quite vulnerable when she has shared something so personal. So then it is important that she gets a reply. Then she gets it so she can write on her tree, and then she shares the others and then it is like a process and then you go through life's storms, the unpleasant things and the pain you have felt in life, without necessarily going through the history behind it.
Speaker 2:What did I do? What did I need? What did I do and how can I use the experiences of future storms? Because it comes too. And this is a very useful tool in a collegial, in a company, in an organization. So this has been used a lot and she who was teaching us in the family therapy study, she had used it for Norwegian workers in the oil industry. I myself have had it in small people, for the employees, and had it for other children. It's a very nice and useful tool to see where it goes and you can use it as a tree of the profession or a tree of the relationship. You can use the tree in different ways.
Speaker 1:Very interesting A teacher there, marius Mikkelsson, maybe.
Speaker 3:I should go down to the classroom.
Speaker 1:I think we should go down and hang a tree.
Speaker 2:It's time to go very fast. When we have it down to the factory again, I think we should go down and hang out.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's fine. It's time to go very fast when we have it good and we learn a lot. I see we're now coming to the end of the podcast, but you're going to start your own business. You've had some experience with it and the previous business. Do you have any tips for others who want to do the same, Something you can share?
Speaker 2:Yes, it Nå, du kan dele, ja, det er jo til å hoppe ut I det. Har du en tanke og en idé, så tør å satsa Og støtte på de som du trenger for å våge ta det skrittet, for heia gjeng er jo viktig, og det å.
Speaker 1:Heia på seg selv og for andre til heia på seg, og det å søke hjelp og råd Og stille deg alle de spørsmålene som du sitter inne med. Så ja, veldig bra. Vi har også en liten lydrunde til slutt. Kan vi ta den om med deg?
Speaker 2:Ja, kjempebra, har du en bok eller en podcast du vil anbefale? Ja, jeg vil gjerne anbefale Lykkesliten.
Speaker 1:Takk, Jeg har hørt, I've heard the podcast.
Speaker 2:I want to have it actually that I heard about Lykke Sliten before I was invited, so I like to hear about other reasons. I think that's very exciting. And then I listen to Uro and Skolen's podcast Relationspodden. I'm a bit of a relationship nerd so I really look for those podcasts there, wolfgang.
Speaker 1:We've heard a bit of a relationship nerd, so I'm very much looking for those podcasters there, wolfgang we've heard a bit about you, yes, and what is your favorite tool at work that you can't do without?
Speaker 2:It's my mobile phone, because it's that mobile ID and everything that should be logged in.
Speaker 1:So it depends. Do you have any role models?
Speaker 2:Role models yes in relation to being a founder. Pipi, Pipi yes, I don't know how to do that, so I do it.
Speaker 1:I've never done that before, so I'm not sure, yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It's fantastic. She's always like that.
Speaker 1:If you're big and strong, you need to be nice. Yes, yes, have you gotten any good advice yourself as a founder, apart from Pippi's part?
Speaker 2:Good advice as a founder, I remember, but I've always taken that with me. And then I have the helmet of the Vekstland. How I used it. I remember when I went to the youth school and came home with a character book and some characters were good and some were less good. My parents always said you did so well, go down. And I think that was good. And I have taken it with me that I do as well as I can, both as it was here and now, and I take the experience we have here Very good.
Speaker 1:Can you tell us something about yourself that most others don't know about?
Speaker 2:Yes, I have been the pulpit master in the treatment of horse riding, Wow that was a niche. Yes, so then I went to NM. There I came in last place, and then I relate myself to that that I was pulpit master. You didn't?
Speaker 1:have to take that last bit. No, I just came in last place and then I keep myself to that, that I was the best pick.
Speaker 2:You didn't have to take that last one. No, I just cut the last one there.
Speaker 1:I cut it out, and that's fantastic. Yes, but very good. Måns, did you have anything to add at the end of the talk?
Speaker 3:No, I think it was a very interesting and interesting conversation and a little different perspective than I had previously, or not so much? Yes, absolutely, I'm stuck with this emotional revolution. I think it will be extremely important in the time we go into now, both because technology is going the way it is going, but also because the work life can't be so much easier. So I think it's exciting, and we have to talk more about it in another podcast.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Are you a little active on social media? Is there a place people can follow you, Find more information about you?
Speaker 2:Yes, I have, I have. I have. I have a Facebook profile and an.
Speaker 2:Instagram profile, so I haven't been that active yet. So that's something I want to work with and that's part of the challenge I've faced in the beginning, because I've been in a big sorrow phase in relation to selling to small people, and when you're going to work on such things or in such a concern, I need access to some resources. But now I have found I have found that the concern will always be with me. So then it is something I want to spend more time on and be more sensitive to social media, because it is actually a place where we reach out. They say that Facebook is still the king, so when I have a Facebook page, I have an Instagram page.
Speaker 1:I think, with all the knowledge you have and with what you want to share, with small drops of that, it's been very nice for people to take part in it, thank you. Thank you very much for coming down here. It's been very nice to have you in the studio and I wish you good luck. Du tusen hjertelig takk for at du kunne komme ned til. Veldig kjekt å ha dig I studio og så ønsker vi deg lykke til videre I satsingene.
Speaker 1:Tusen takk og takk for at jeg fikk komme. Lykkes Liten blir spilt inn I et professionelt podcaststudio på H90 I Haugesund Centrum. Om du vil vite mer om det kreative arbeidsmiljøet og arbeidsfellesskapet på Thank you.